Posts by Anders Andersen

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When is a theory 'just a theory'?

by HB in

the titles of cofty's excellent recent posts are all preceeded by the words "evolution is a fact...".

richard dawkins is encouraging people to use the term 'fact' in relation to evolution, especially when debating with creationists as the word 'theory' is confusing to many, and the latter often takes the discussion off on an often unproductive tangent.

the following may be of interest, it's from the bbc website - part of a regular series of articles called 'the vocabularist', discussing the origin and meaning of words: .

Anders Andersen

@Fisherman,

Your very one-sided way of reading and bolding the quote shows you're not willing to be honest and understand what the writer really said. Your Watchtower is showing.

Thomson remarks: "Change over time is a fact, and descent from common ancestors is based on such unassailable [meaning undeniable] logic that we act as though it is a fact.
Biologists consider it to be a scientific fact that evolution

So your own quote shows that the evidence is so overwhelming that evolution cannot be denied, and that those who actually know the subject best consider it a fact for all intents and purposes.

And here you are trying to bend a statement that confirms the robustness of the theory of evolution into a basis on which you can deny the undeniable.

Besides that, you have artfully tried dodge the questions I submitted:

If you cannot accept evolution because it is 'not a fact' while the evidence that supports it makes those who are experts in biology consider it a fact, on what basis are you accepting Bronze age myths as fact, maybe even absolute truth?

Is the evidence (if any) that you accept for any gods' existence more compelling than the evidence that supports evolution?

Is there any evidence that your specific God exists?

Can you present that evidence please?

Can anyone consider the existence of God a fact more than evolution can be considered a fact?

BTW, please don't bother replying with more of your word soup. I really don't care about that quote, or about your tries to make words change meaning.

Unless you have a direct (and somewhat readable) answer to (one of) my questions I probably won't read your reaction.

Have a good life!

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The Bread Illustration (Feb 16 Broadcast) - Massive Contradiction

by fizzle in

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so... bro flodin puts poison onto the first loaf of bread and says that this pictures someone "sinning against the holy spirit".

he then puts the bread into the trash can stating that jehovah completely discards anyone "sinning against the holy spirit"... meaning they cannot ever be forgiven...he says that the pharisees "sinned against the holy spirit" because they denied indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit displayed by jesus... therefore jehovah would completely discard them... no way back for them.. fast forward a little... we have the bible character stephen...acts 6:8 says: now stephen, full of divine favor and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.so stephen was showing indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit.now we come to the bible character paul (saul)... he was a pharisee.paul would have seen stephen in action... witnessing the indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit first hand!yet paul not only waged war against all christians but he personally approved the killing (stoning) of stephen.according to the bread illustration paul should have been discarded by jehovah at this point for "sinning against the holy spirit"... he would have been put in the trash can... no way back at all...but what happened according to the bible?

jesus appeared to him on the road to damascus... he became one of the most zealous apostles in bible history with jehovah's full support!so what on earth is the bread illustration all about?

Anders Andersen

Haven't seen the propaganda movie, but from the description I think one thing is very clear:

Who is doing the contaminating in the illustration?

So who causes people to become 'apostates', or who causes people to sin against the HS?

Must be the GB and it's helper minions...:-D

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When is a theory 'just a theory'?

by HB in

the titles of cofty's excellent recent posts are all preceeded by the words "evolution is a fact...".

richard dawkins is encouraging people to use the term 'fact' in relation to evolution, especially when debating with creationists as the word 'theory' is confusing to many, and the latter often takes the discussion off on an often unproductive tangent.

the following may be of interest, it's from the bbc website - part of a regular series of articles called 'the vocabularist', discussing the origin and meaning of words: .

Anders Andersen

@Fisherman,

And every time I am simply amazed, stunned, flabbergasted that people who do not accept evolution "because it cannot be proven" readily accept the existence of a God and the truth of ancient stories for which no evidence has ever been produced.

Someone who rejects evolution for supposed lack of evidence (which is really just lack of knowledge of that claimer's side) should be honest enough to rejects all gods, miracles and ancient stories for even worse lack of evidence.

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God & universe #1 - God's position and authority

by Anders Andersen in

while thinking about the nature of god, i suddenly thought of something else: how jw speak about god in relation to the universe.. they say that.

jehovah created the universe.

destroying satan and answering the questions that were raised in eden will restore peace and unity in the whole universe.. .

Anders Andersen

@mephis,

Thanks for the link about the Canaanite religions. Very interesting read.

Especially the part about Canaanite gods of war requiring human sacrifices...you know just like Jahweh demanding all citizens of enemy cities be put to death since they belonged to him (=human sacrifice) :-(

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Do Witness children die from not taking blood?

by juandefiero in

yes - awake!

1994 may 22 p.2 youths who put god first (3-15).

"in former times thousands of youths died for putting god first.

Anders Andersen

Too lazy to do some calculations now, but my guess is that JW killed more JW with the blood ban than the Nazi's did in WW2.

And that totally makes sense: Jehovah killed more of his own people than Satan ever did. So JW really are trying to be like Jehovah.... :-(

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When is a theory 'just a theory'?

by HB in

the titles of cofty's excellent recent posts are all preceeded by the words "evolution is a fact...".

richard dawkins is encouraging people to use the term 'fact' in relation to evolution, especially when debating with creationists as the word 'theory' is confusing to many, and the latter often takes the discussion off on an often unproductive tangent.

the following may be of interest, it's from the bbc website - part of a regular series of articles called 'the vocabularist', discussing the origin and meaning of words: .

Anders Andersen

@oisif,

May I suggest the following reading material for your benefit?

http://ncse.com/taking-action/project-steve

http://www.sciencemeetsreligion.org/evolution/scientists-evolution.php

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution

Yes, a very small % of all scientists rejects evolution in favor of one of the many creation myths. Yes, some of them even have a degree in a field slightly related to genetics, evolutionary biology or geology.

Yet none of them ever produced a decent peer-reviewed scientific paper where they show evidence that their creation myth is true.

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Need help compiling a list of the latest changes in doctrine and practices

by jwfacts in

i have former jws looking at jwfacts.com in order to update themselves with what is happening with the religion, so that they can better understand their jw family.

it thought it would help if there was a page devoted to what has changed since 2000. .

2012 oct release of jw.org - jws encouraged to download their own publications and use ipads at meetings and field service.

Anders Andersen

Even when looking at the yearbook 2016, p25 (in my language ;-) ) they have this list:

What are some of our beliefs that have been clarified in recent years?

2012
“All these kingdoms”—Dan. 2:44	w12 6/15 p. 17
Mordecai and Esther “divide spoil”—Gen. 49:27	w12 1/1 p. 29
Ruin caused by “fierce-looking king”—Dan. 8:23, 24	w12 6/15 p. 16
Toes of image in Nebuchadnezzar’s dream—Dan. 2:41-43	w12 6/15 p. 16
When the seventh world power emerged	w12 6/15 pp. 15, 19
2013
“Faithful and discreet slave”—Matt. 24:45-47	w13 7/15 pp. 8, 20-25
“Evil slave”—Matt. 24:48-51	w13 7/15 p. 24
Anointed not to survive Armageddon on earth	w13 7/15 p. 5
‘Assyrian invades our land’—Mic. 5:5	w13 11/15 p. 20
Chosen ones gathered—Matt. 24:31; Mark 13:27	w13 7/15 p. 5
Great tribulation	w13 7/15 pp. 3-8
Illustration of the wheat and the weeds—Matt. 13:24-30	w13 7/15 pp. 13-14
Jesus comes, arrives—Matt. chaps. 24 and 25	w13 7/15 pp. 7-8, 24
Jesus inspects spiritual temple 1914-1919—Mal. 3:1-4	w13 7/15 pp. 11-12
Meaning of name Jehovah	New World Translationp. 1735
2014
Appointment of elders and ministerial servants	w14 11/15 pp. 28-29
Basis first-century Jews had for being “in expectation” of the Messiah—Luke 3:15	w14 2/15 pp. 26-27;w14 6/15 p. 22
Duration of cleansing of spiritual temple—Mal. 3:1-4	w14 11/15 p. 30
Marriage in the resurrection—Luke 20:34-36	w14 8/15 pp. 29-30
“Solid foundation of God”—2 Tim. 2:19	w14 7/15 pp. 8-9, 13
Two witnesses—Rev. chap. 11	w14 11/15 p. 30
2015
Gog of Magog—Ezek. chaps. 38 and 39	w15 5/15 pp. 29-30
Head covering for sister conducting a Bible study	w15 2/15 p. 30
Illustration of the talents—Matt. 25:14-30	w15 3/15 pp. 20-24
Illustration of the ten virgins—Matt. 25:1-13	w15 3/15 pp. 13-16
Types and antitypes	w15 3/15 pp. 9-11, 17-18; w15 6/15 p. 32

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God & universe #1 - God's position and authority

by Anders Andersen in

while thinking about the nature of god, i suddenly thought of something else: how jw speak about god in relation to the universe.. they say that.

jehovah created the universe.

destroying satan and answering the questions that were raised in eden will restore peace and unity in the whole universe.. .

Anders Andersen

@WannabeHammer ;-)

Yes I know. A real, specific, non-physical, spiritual place called the heavens.

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The Watchtower Corporation's (JWS) extenuating lies .....Why and for what purpose ?

by Finkelstein in

upon researching the historical activity of the wts.

it becomes clear that the head editorial writers of this religious publishing house propagated many formative lies or unproven speculations framed within its own bible theological interpretations.. .

going right back to its earliest inception the head writers of the wts proclaimed that christ has returned and that mankind was going occur a dramatic change through this returning establishment of christ, as prophetically told though bible scripture.. the first year devised by the wts of this return was 1874 and through means of using an obscure measurement of the great pyramid of giza 1914 was to be the year of armageddon.. the 6000 years of mankind's existence was used at that time as well ( early 1900's) to support this supposed code cracking, which was used once again in the late 1960's to create 1975 as another year of significance.

Anders Andersen

It just dawned on me...I always thought it's a bit strange that some MLM companies (like ACN) display (cultish) behaviour similar to JW.borg....

Makes sense...basically the Borg is a MLM company...but one where everyone pays, never gets any reward, and they demand more of your time.

Man I wish my parents had brought me up in a decent MLM company....could have been rich and retired by now :-p

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Article: "Why God Won't Go Away" (Contains an example of a JW) An excellent read!

by AndersonsInfo in

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http://committingsociology.com/2016/01/15/transcending-religious-ideas-is-easy-transcending-religious-thinking-is-hard/.

why god won’t go away.

january 15, 2016 john faithful hamer .

Anders Andersen

Nice read.

It's good for all of us to be aware of our inner Jehovah's Witness and get rid of it...